Josh (00:00:02) - We got five minutes on the clock. This is a returning champion. Interviewed him a few times in my in my days. So what is your name and what is your podcast show?

Matthew (00:00:11) - Hey, Josh. Uh, thanks for having me. Uh, my name is Matthew Boswell. Um, I used to have a real estate podcast called Real Estate Journeys. It was a top 400 business podcast, but it hasn't been in syndication for a couple of years. Yeah.

Josh (00:00:24) - So since our conversation, you shut down when your podcast shows, and I think this is important for other podcast host to hear on when is it time to maybe stop doing podcasting? Take a knee, take a break. What's your thoughts and why did you make that decision to shut down your podcast show?

Matthew (00:00:41) - Yeah, for me personally, like it was just I shut it down in I think it was 2021, maybe 2022. But one of the reasons why I shut down is it just wasn't serving me. It was, um, it was becoming stressful.

Matthew (00:00:55) - I was living abroad. Um, I was waking up at three, four in the morning to record podcast episodes, and it just wasn't serving me. And I was becoming burnt out, and I was focusing on other things in my, uh, real estate career as far as commercial real estate was starting to take off. So I just kind of was like, you know what? I had a nice little sendoff episode at 114 episodes. It was a good run, learned a lot, started some different business ventures from it. But, uh, yeah, I feel like if it's not serving you, then you should just kind of nip it in the butt and move on to something. That's me making you more happy and serving you.

Josh (00:01:32) - Yeah, if it's not serving you anymore. So what metrics did you use to measure if it's serving you or not? So you mentioned burnout, right? Like you're like, man, I'm, I'm in Thailand or I'm traveling around the world waking up super early to deal with, you know, us guests and such like that.

Josh (00:01:45) - But, you know, that's one. What other things did you look at to go, this is no longer serving.

Matthew (00:01:50) - Um, for me, I don't know, like maybe the podcast has shifted, but I felt like a lot of people that were coming on my podcast were just trying to pitch themselves. And so when they're like, I'm here to raise capital, I'm here to sell myself. And I was just like, I don't want to do this. Like, I felt like I was just like giving you a microphone to, like, blast yourself. But I mean, yeah, downloads were going up and everything was great. But at the end of the day, like, I wasn't utilizing it, I guess to its full advantage. Like I wasn't seeing enough, uh, inbound. And uh, the work wasn't necessarily paying off. And so I just decided to pull the plug.

Josh (00:02:29) - Yeah, I understand, yeah, I've had to. I'm in the process of putting a bullet in one of mine right now, and it's hard because you've invested time, you've made all these great connections.

Josh (00:02:39) - You've, man, you've you created all this content and then you say goodbye. How did you send off your podcast? How did you say goodbye?

Matthew (00:02:47) - Yeah. If I recall, um, I did this solo episode and I think when you're putting a bullet in it, I think the audience can kind of feel it. You know, like, if you're if you've done it for a year or so, you might have a good little run and then maybe you might miss a week and then you can slowly kind of feel it and you're just like, listen. Like you guys can feel it. I could feel it. Let's just call a spade a spade here. And shake hands amicably and walk away. Uh, but I felt like I ended on a good note, and I still get a lot of requests. I'm like, great. You want to be on my show? Like, you obviously don't listen to it because it hasn't aired in years. Like, when was my last episode? Check the database.

Matthew (00:03:27) - I mean, tell me. Please tell you.

Josh (00:03:29) - Yeah, it's so funny. I get messages and they're like, hey, I really liked your episode. And then they forget to put the tag and it says insert episode here. You know, like they spend no time listening in, um, looking back, you know, saluting your, your, your podcasts that, uh, went away. What was your fondest memory? And we'll close on that today.

Matthew (00:03:51) - Uh, yeah. Uh, that's a good question. I would just say one thing that I really learned from podcasting in general. Like I said, I had 114 episodes was the value of networking and relationships. So even when I was going on other people's podcasts, uh, and let's say I didn't get any leads from it, just the fact that I was in the same room with those people. Uh, I learned a lot. I get interviewed in New York Times bestseller, um, just people all across the board, and I was really able to learn from them and bring them into my ecosystem, even if I necessarily wasn't driving big sales.

Matthew (00:04:28) - And so that's one of the fondest memories I have, is just being able to connect, learn how to develop a bigger network outside of what I'm usually comfortable with. And I would say that's one of the biggest takeaways.

Josh (00:04:40) - Yeah, super cool. If people want to connect with you, learn more about, uh, what you're working on. Where can people find you?

Matthew (00:04:47) - Yeah, so people can find me on my website, Matthew bozell.com. That's where I post all my latest content and you can sign up for my newsletter, Curious Creators.

Josh (00:04:57) - Super cool. We did this all under five minutes. I hope you guys are enjoying these episodes. We'll see you on the next one. Bye everyone!